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Lurking in the Shadow of Fire by dogeatdog5 Lurking in the Shadow of Fire by dogeatdog5
Prejudice shows its face at times in the most unlikely places. It seems to hide in the shadows waiting to show its face in one way or another. The Bible has been used by many groups over the years to justify bigotry, hatred, oppression, racism and prejudice. The KKK used it with African Americans; many groups used it to keep women in their place and of course the boy scouts and Salvation Army used it with the gay community. I lit this shot solely with fire. This is the first piece in a series and part of a gallery show opening up in Nov. in Chicago at the Johnsonese Gallery. [link] I will probably lose half of my watchers with this series but hopefully I will gain more and generate some dialog.
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Pansextional Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2011
The truth hurts. Let them leave. There isn't anything in your statements above that isn't true.

All religions are irrational thru and thru.
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Linnae Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2011
Oooh -- ouch! Very well done concept. (And one I caught the gist of before reading the description.)
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muzikluvr Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2010
Amazing picture..
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Art-Terrorist Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2009
It's an amusing image and very well done. But I feel that comparing the Boy Scouts to the Klan is a bit extreme.

Senator Robert Byrd was an Exalted Cyclops and a Grand Kleagle in the Ku Klux Klan. Does that make it fair to compare all Democrats with the KKK?
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DavidLoganMorrow Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2009
Great concept. I wished I'd been in Chicago at the time to catch your show. Cheers!
~David
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eggflesh Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2008   Photographer
Well, you've gained a watcher here.

Very powerful!
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hyenacub Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Very nicely done. A chilling picture, and the fire-only lighting is perfect.

I always loved the idea of the Boy Scouts. But their anti-gay and transgender policies were sort of the one jagged piece of the Scouts that upset me. And some of them get downright vicious in how they speak of gays and others they don't approve of.

I was never in Scouts proper, and that's one of the reasons. Kudos for posting something like this, despite the possibility that you would lose watchers or offend people. You showed your opinion in a striking way, but were not nasty, immature, or overly nasty about it.
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2007
Thanks so much for the props!
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voldieshorts Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2007
wow I really like this picture despite the slight predjudice I get often. I'm black, in a interracial relationship (my bf is white) and I just happen to be bisexual. My bf is slightly homophobic (towards men, he thinks two chicks are hot *sigh*) and racist (more or less ignorant because no one told him what he was saying is wrong XP) and I have to get on him alot about what he says to people. He's also a Eagle Scout so yeah we avoid this kinda conversations alot...however this piece hits something for me and I am going to fav it! I love it!
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2007
Thanks so much, I love to hear how this photo effects people in a way that I never intended. Thanks again.

-Chris
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voldieshorts Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2007
you are quite welcome ^^
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GabeDavis Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2007
This whole shoot is amazing!!! Everything about it is fascinating, the lighting the use of the focus, the meaning is great and your imagery is fantastic!!
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Dolphin13 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2007
I am an Eagle Scout. I am Gay. Some of my fondest and most often remembered memories of growing up are from Scouting.

I lost the biggest chunk of my naivete and idealism when the Scouts turned their back on me and the rest of the Gay Community. It hurt me, it saddened me, it frustrated me and unfortunately it made me more "grown up".

Thank you very much for saying what has to be said. That's my definition of art.
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Vicarious247 Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2007
I can relate to you just not on the same circumstances.
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alsantro Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2006
As a member of the boy scouts of america, i agree, and through my membership am liberating bit by bit the peoples of the organization which is run by the greatest bigots known to man kind!
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LakeHMM Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2006
Fascinating. I really like the concept here. Very true.
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wolfraem Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2006
I know nobody has posted here in a while, but I thought I would anyways -- even now a year+ later, shocking. And amazingly deep. I really like it. I don't agree at all with the message or the suppositions, but I respect it and I really do like it.
The only thing I wish, imho (especially considering the expertise of the rest of your work) would be that the kkk guys were lit just a little less, to make them the forboding umbrella rather than a sharp parallel. I think it might hit the head of the nail deeper into the wood, so to speak.
But, it is an excelent expression of a sensitive issue. Excelent.
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astarael22 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2005
woah
eyecatcher
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UchihaChan Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2005
This shot is great, I cannot tell you how much I adore the message it sends. I'm very impressed with the lighting; it sets an amazing atmosphere. I also love how the KKK members are blurry and in the background, it really shows how they're a lurking danger and influence on the boy. Great piece. More power to you!
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MackTheDeuce Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2005  Hobbyist Photographer
Great shot; impressive content. It's about goddamn time someone said it.


Patrick
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deviantesbe Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2005
wow, i think you're very brave for showing this picture
but i can tell you, i totally agree with what your wrote

this really proves that a picture can say more than a thousand words
keep up the good work, and don't let stupid fools get you down
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eclipz04 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2005
I was raised mormon, and it is well known that the mormons.. well.. lets just say they have an influence on the Boy Scouts.

I never knew that mormons were against gays. I just growing up i never had to deal with the issue, I just lived. Maybe a little clueless? Im also female, so perhaps they don't stress it so much, just expect everyone to be straight. But one year at a girls camp for church, I was with a friend of mine and our "youth leader" or whatever, and we were told that if you are gay or bisexual in the church, you will be excommunicated if you refuse to "get help"

That infuriated me, and I have to admit was the last straw. I never went to church again, despite my friends pleas. The church organization is utterly curropt, I've decided. Most organized religions are I feel. Spirituality is a personal thing. So is sexuality. I wish more of the world would just be accepting of each individuals personal beliefs

But of course, Im hoping for a dream. Anyways, I like the concept you are expressing in this. It hit me in a very personal way, too.

-brita
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2005
Thanks for your story, that was moving. I love to hear when people are personaly moved by something I do, that means a lot.
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gawul Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2005
As a previous scout myself, I find this hits close to home. Rather than being kicked out as many gays have in the BSA, I decided that I would distance myself from the organization. That doesn't make the pain any less. I spent many years participating and coaching many new leaders of our world, just to be banished by those whom I have helped the most. I just hope that in the coming years (likely decades) ahead, the organization will realize there is nothing to be feared in the GLBT community and invite us in. They will, however, have to overcome the resistance that is currently growing against them from our community.
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Wilby3000 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2005   Writer
Outstanding concept... Just outstanding. The execution is up to par with it too. All in all, what we have here is a marvellous photograph.
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openended Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2004
wish i was on the other part of the world to attend your gallery show.... you gained my appreciation and support 100% with this series!
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2004
I wish you were here as well!
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2004
Thanks so very very much!
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mercinder Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2004
it's magnificent!!!
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yukisoma Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2004
brilliant, and I've been there
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grantb88 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2004
I enjoy this peice of work, but not for the reasons you gave for doing it. While I do not want to get into a political/ social debate with you I must commend you on your fantastic photography. This photo symbolises so much, and I think it is a perfect example of how art can mean different things to different peices.
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jessiquita Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2004  Hobbyist Photographer
This is personal to me.

I am a scout and it hurts me that they aren't accepting.

I am accepting.

I think everyone is great.

This image is beautiful.

I have faved it.

Good stuff. :)
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2004
Thanks so much for you support!
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flien-deval Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2004
Very chilling and very bold imagery.
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sm Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2004
perfect. you have some pretty amazing stuff here.

this actually reminds me of an AMEN record cover.
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2004
Cheers, did you see the Sonic Youth photos? Read the story?
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sm Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2004
haha, i have now! very nice captures i might add. for those types of shots i wouldn't mind being pushed around by thurston moore.
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2004
Right?? Made for a great shot!
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absolutg Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2004  Student
hmmm... prejudice against gays (or prejudice as a entity) represented by the KKK (i like that)...Great shot, composition etc... Great work lighting it all with flame (very appropriate to the overall piece)... Didnt grow up in america and cant say im very moved by the statement with regards to scouts but i certainly believe that prejudice (gay,women,race etc.) should be pointed out regardless of the what else the organization stands for...
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dollsfall Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2004
amen brother
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spodie Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2004
I find your work very expressive and interesting. Thank you for sharing. In my humble opinion, you are an incredible artist with a natural talent for subjectivity and creative expression. I really like your work.
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2004
Thanks so very much!
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phisch2222 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2004  Hobbyist Photographer
I find this, for the most part, to be inscurate. I get your idea with this. But I was a scout and still am a scout, jsut an adult leadr now. And I am not prejudice, or are most of the people in my troop. This might be due to that I live in the north, but still. I have been in a troop with kids the were of many ethnicities. I've even seen troops with all african americans. I personaly don;t know the situation with anywhere else, but I just thought I'd display my thoughts about this.

I do love the composition, and the idea would have been great, but I fell it to be inacurate with this shot. I fell that you are hitting strong points with differt relions and life styles being used to controll certian people.
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2004
I am by no means implying that all boy scouts or boy scout leaders are prejudice. Obviously everyone in the organization is an individual and must be just in that way. I also realize that the boy scouts do a lot of great things and I don't want to diminish those things in any way. As a former scout I can attest to the fact that the scouts offer a lot to a boy growing up but in recent times their national policy on gays has disturbed me. If you read what others had to say about this photo you'll see a few people talk about how much it means to them. Some were even kicked out of the scouts for being gay. In my opinion this is one of the most harmful lessons we can teach our young people today. I realize there are many local scout troops that have gone against the nation policy and tried to stand up to the leaders and say "this isn't right" and some have even gone as far as to break off and form their own group. For those kinds of stands I commend them. I really think that it's very sad that people are using the bible to justify personal prejudice but they do. I also realize this photo is a little extreme but thatís what art does some times. It exaggerates; in order to make a point other wise no one would pay much attention. This kind of art needs to get your attention, grab you, and jump off the wall at you! Sometimes you have to be a bit extreme to get you point across. Hope that helps clear up what I was thinking and that it wasn't by any means a knock on the individuals that are good people and do good work for a organization that has unfortunately has recently given it self a black eye.
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phisch2222 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2004  Hobbyist Photographer
I understand completely. I guess I just didn;t look at the bigger picture of this all. Also, the troops I have been in haven't been like this. Thanks for the awsome response on what I had to say as well. Not many people take the troubke to clear things up like that.
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2004
Your welcome.
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Blindchaos Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2004
as others have said this is a strong and almost shocking piece... great job with this really. but its also quite an accusation... i hope things don't become difficult for you. once again very awesome. i like your work and look forward to seeing more.
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dogeatdog5 Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2004
Thanks for the support!
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Blindchaos Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2004
no prob. keep it up.
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o0Turquoise0o Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2004
interesting and this picture is halarious and meaningfull at the same time.
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